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17-07-2009, 08:42 | #121 | |
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secondo me la versione con chipset amd è preferibile per il dual channel. (anche se con memorie so-dimm). Quelle schede di rete hanno problemi con linux (hanno distribuito driver che non vanno o qualcosa del genere, ma si risolve facilmente) Su windows non saprei, ma mi pare di aver letto che ci sono sempre problemi con i driver. In generale le realtek sono molto inferiori alle schede intel, ma, per utenza domestica, secondo me vanno anche bene. Puoi postare il link alla review? |
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17-07-2009, 08:44 | #122 |
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la scheda... per il case ho perso le speranze!
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17-07-2009, 09:28 | #124 | |
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Come 'problemi' del bios, che non si riesca a fare overclock della scheda video, poco importa su questo tipo di scheda. Il cool and quiet non attivo da default è strano ma accettabile. La realtek sarà "debole" come dicono ma non è certo una mainboard su cui costruire server altamente multiutente: il target è chi si vuole costruire un home server, un nas, un gateway. Secondo me va bene, senza eccellere. |
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17-07-2009, 09:42 | #125 |
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Ho trovato un'altra recensione ...
http://www.epiacenter.de/modules.php...owpage&pid=261 E' in tedesco ma Google Translate funziona abbastanza bene dal Tedesco all'inglese. Qui di seguito le conclusioni: Performance As with the upgrade of the Fujitsu / Siemens D2703-S "(review link) and the Kontron" KT690/mITX "(review link) in the reading was, AMD processors are limitless. As with the update of the Fujitsu / Siemens D2703-S "(review link) and the Kontron" KT690/mITX "(review link) in which the reading, AMD processors are Limitless. At least if you were previously tested AMD platforms with similarly clocked comparing Intel platforms. At least if you were previously tested AMD platforms with Intel platforms Clocked similarly compares. Unfortunately, the performance of the RS780, the graphics are not quite what you had promised them, as expressed in recent weeks on several occasions in various News was to read. Unfortunately, the performance of the RS780, the graphics are not quite what you had promised them, as expressed in recent weeks on several occasions in various news what to read. Otherwise you with an AMD dual-core variant is relatively well operated and the system sets the performance board for good. Otherwise, with an AMD dual-core variant is relatively well served, and the system requires the board to good performance. In terms of memory performance in each case must be mentioned that this board -- as several already identified - the best in dual channel mode, ie. In terms of memory performance in each case must be mentioned that this board - as several already identified - the best in dual channel mode, ie. with two memory modules to operate, because only then can the chip's full performance potential with which the 'NC81-LF "to the new reference board in this area has become. The good multimedia features, the board is certainly a potent platform for adequate living room PC dar. But as pure server or something similar could be used this board, but you remember that for quad-core Phenom and Opteron is designed, dual Gigabit LAN and is up to 6 drives can be connected (IDE 2x / 4x S-ATA). with two memory modules should be run, because only then can the chip's full performance potential with which the 'NC81-LF "to the new reference board in this area has become. The good multimedia features, the board is certainly a potent platform for adequate living room PC dar. But even as a pure server or something similar could be used this board, but you remember that for quad-core Phenom and Opteron is designed, dual Gigabit LAN and is up to 6 drives can be connected (IDE 2x / 4x S-ATA). Handling Even in terms of handling the board is certainly a winner in the connectivity you could possibly wish for. Even in terms of handling the board is certainly a winner in the connectivity you could possibly wish for. On the standard VGA connector has not been waived, as it was last at Intel DG45FC "(review link) to see, but the bargain, the board with DVI and HDMI connections, which are currently in the living rooms are widespread. On the standard VGA connector has not been waived, as it was last at Intel DG45FC "(review link) to see, but the bargain, the board with DVI and HDMI connections, which are currently in the living rooms are widespread. It would have the Board nor an S-Video TVout good to face confessed, but at this point you remember very clearly that this board has already announced a new era in which analog formats such as PAL or NTSC in the past. Although the board still would have an S Video TVout good confessed to face, but at this point you remember very clearly that this board has already announced a new era in which analog formats such as PAL or NTSC in the past. In terms of audio connectivity allows the board is still the one or other desired, but it may be my opinion, convincing. In terms of audio connectivity, the board can still be a little wanting, but nevertheless it may be my opinion, convincing. The driver and tools support for Windows operating system is good. The driver and tools support for Windows operating systems is good. It must be running Windows XP and Vista drivers still be installed separately, but this makes no real effort dar. In the next few days, the driver also used here to test our download server (download link). But you should for the Jetway 'NC81-LF' definitely no Athlon64 X2 5000 + (2x 2.6 GHz) or better yet choose not this "5CZ inch model Athlons this. It must be running Windows XP and Vista drivers still be installed separately, but this makes no real effort dar. In the next few days, the drivers used here at our test server download (download link). But you should for the Jetway 'NC81-LF' definitely no Athlon64 X2 5000 + ( 2x 2.6 GHz) or better yet choose not this "5CZ inch model Athlons this. We should, however - as with other AMD boards also - be clear what to do with this board wants to realize. One should, however - as with other AMD So boards - be clear what to do with this board wants to realize. It is certainly a more economical CPU, such as a Athlon X2 4850e or an Athlon X2 5050e (remember each 45W TDP), without the multimedia features to renounce need. One can surely also a economical CPU, such as a Athlon X2 4850e or an Athlon X2 5050e (remember each TDP 45W), without the multimedia features to renounce them. Quite the contrary: the system should work with such a CPU capable of a similar , as tested here with the CPU and not even at the half in terms of consumption. Quite the contrary: the system should work with such a CPU capable of similar, as tested here with the CPU and not even at the half in terms of consumption. Interessant expected at this board for one or other of you is likely that the properties Over-/Underclocking regarding the North Bridge and memory be. Interesting expected at this board for one or other of you is likely that the properties Over-/Underclocking regarding the North Bridge and memory be. In terms of Linux are there any bad news can be reported, although crashte KDE when you start Knoppix 5.3.1, Knoppix 5.2 but started flawlessly, just Kubuntu 8.04. In terms of Linux are there any bad news can be reported, although crashte KDE when you start Knoppix 5.3.1, Knoppix 5.2 but started flawlessly, just Kubuntu 8.04. Noise Since the processor on the Jetway 'NC81-LF' free choice and the type of processor is used, I strongly reject this based on an evaluation in this section. Since the processor on the Jetway 'NC81-LF' free choice and the type of processor is used, I strongly reject this based on an evaluation in this section. Price In the shop of HRT is the information reviewed here Jetway 'NC81-LF' (product link) at the completion of this article already for 122.49 EUR (Stand 10/2008) been available, what an absolute cracker and the price means "tradition of low prices "compatible with the Jetway" NC62K "was started, now would be continued. In the shop of HRT Informationstechnik tested here is the Jetway 'NC81-LF' (product link) at the completion of this article already for 122.49 EUR (Stand 10/2008) been available, what an absolute cracker and the price means "tradition of low prices "compatible with the Jetway" NC62K "was started, now would be continued. One must however remember that you still need a suitable processor, which is again a little money goes into. One must however remember that you still need a suitable processor, which is again a little money goes into. The test used here in the Athlon X2 5000 + CPU (5CZ) is - as mentioned - a few days older and more due to its consumption does not necessarily recommended, but an Athlon X2 4050e (product link, 2.1GHz, 45W TDP) exists for HRT For example, already for 57, - EUR (Stand 10/2008). The test used here in the Athlon X2 5000 + CPU (5CZ) is - as mentioned - a few days older and more due to its consumption does not necessarily recommended, but a Athlon X2 4050e (product link, 2.1GHz, 45W TDP) exists for HRT For example, already for 57, - EUR (Stand 10/2008). Pro Good audio and graphics performance Very Stable Economy Good connectivity, Good multimedia Contra Very high consumption of certain processors (CPU, not board related) (CPU, not board related) Abstract In terms of processor performance and the equipment can Jetway 'NC81-LF' is certainly not quite the offer, which in the last performance of Intel platforms tested was offered, but it is also not the board itself but rather to the performance of currently available AMD processors. In terms of processor performance and the equipment can Jetway 'NC81-LF' is certainly not quite the offer, which in the last performance of Intel platforms tested was offered, but it is also not the board itself but rather to the performance of currently available AMD processors. In terms of multimedia and connectivity associated with the board, however, offers a thoroughly successful performance. In terms of multimedia and connectivity associated with the board, however, offers a thoroughly successful performance. The board is suitable for future multimedia and even gaming applications with its DVI and HDMI connectivity, and the 5.1 sound on HD media in the living room fully equipped. The board is suitable for future multimedia and even gaming applications with its DVI and HDMI connectivity, and the 5.1 sound on HD media in the living room fully equipped. Who is a powerful system with extensive equipment for a living room or PC gaming wants and not necessarily huge amounts of money to spend want with this board is well served, ie. Who is a powerful system with extensive equipment for a living room or PC gaming wants and not necessarily huge amounts of money to spend want with this board is well served, ie. everywhere where, for example, large LCD televisions and projectors, and high-end audio receiver to the serial line are likely to feel this board. everywhere where, for example, large LCD televisions and projectors, and high-end audio receiver to the serial line are likely to feel this board. But even as effective server board is expected to 'NC81-LF' when the corresponding processor choice represent a good choice. But even as effective server board is expected to 'NC81-LF' when the corresponding processor choice represent a good choice. Although in terms of consumption even a little "after work" well done, but you can with the correct processor choice in this matter a little land well. Although in terms of consumption even a little "after work" well done, but you can with the correct processor choice in this matter a little land well. Final Stand Performance 9.0 / 10 Handling 9.0 / 10 Noise - / 10 - / 10 Price 10 / 10 Overall rating 9.33 / 10 9.33 / 10 (Highly recommended!) |
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17-07-2009, 09:54 | #127 | |
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Come bandwidth della scheda di rete direi che non dovrebbe essere quella il fattore limitante... quindi vai tranquillo. piuttosto è bene scegliere una cpu di quelle a basso consumo (quelli con la 'e' finale) |
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17-07-2009, 10:39 | #128 | |
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Il 65 TPD mi garantisce il fatto che l'alimentatore da 120W del Chenbro basterà per tutto il sistema : 65w la CPU, 3w il disco da 2.5, 4 * 6w i WD green = 92 watt sotto carico massimo ... ho ancora un margine di una 30ina di watt per tutti gli altri carichi (motherboard in primis). Ho dimenticato qualche pezzo ??? |
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17-07-2009, 11:03 | #129 |
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scusa qual'è la motivazione di un athlon II x2 250? disponibilità, prezzo?
perché a me pare che rischi di stare un po' troppo vicino al limite... |
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17-07-2009, 11:53 | #131 | |
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Di case flex-atx ne ho visti pochi... Se mi sbaglio ditelo :-) |
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17-07-2009, 12:01 | #132 | |
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Io per esempio voglio montare almeno 8 dischi e quindi per restare su Atom non ho molte alternative (4 sata onboard + 2 PCI-E). Per il case: per me non è un prodotto da mettere in salotto... Riciclerò un bel case ATX standard della ThermalTake che mi è avanzato e che ha lo spazio per tutti i dischi che voglio... Quindi mi basta prendere la MB, un controller 4 porte sata a circa 70US$ (gli 8 porte costano mooolto di più) e i dischi (ne prenderei 8 da 1,5 Tbyte, sempre negli US a 115US$ l'uno). Alla fine riesco a mettere su 12Tbyte di storage con una spesa abbastanza bassa: MB: 130US$ RAM: 20US$ PSU 80Plus da 350W: 40US$ CASE: Ce l'ho 8 x 1,5TByte Seagate LP: 8 x 115 = 920 US$ Controller 4 porte Sata II: 70US$ TOTALE: 1180US$ = 842€ (al cambio di oggi) = 7 centesimi di € al Gigabyte (quasi quanto un DVD vergine!!!) Dakkar |
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17-07-2009, 12:22 | #133 | |
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La motivazione è solo questa .... avessi voluto usare il NAS unicamente per lo storage mi sarei accontentato dell'Atom 330 ... |
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17-07-2009, 13:05 | #134 | |
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EDIT noto ora che erano 130$ non € però secondo me è da considerare...
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17-07-2009, 13:06 | #135 | |
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ma a proposito quell'immagine che ho visto mi pare su questo thread, dove si vede che i pentium-e consumano in idle meno di due watt, è vero o é una bufala? |
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17-07-2009, 13:16 | #136 |
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Se intendi e5200 direi che ho trovato conferma da più parti ... ma se ci fai caso le performance in full sono proporzionate .... oddio, sempre meglio di un atom !
Però 5-6 watt di differenza sono veramente pochi ... di tratta di 5-6 euro l'anno !! per cui si può investire di più sulla potenza in full a scapito di quella in idle ! |
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senza contare che in full ci va x poco tempo... quindi ininfluente. A meno che non hai un server che frulla al 100% tutto il giorno, il consumo che conta per un NAS da casa è quello in idle |
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17-07-2009, 13:30 | #138 |
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D'accordissimo. Ma per un NAS 24/24 preferisco consumare meno. La potenza non mi serve...
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17-07-2009, 14:12 | #139 | |
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e i controlli sata aggiuntivi .... d'altronde lo si vede qua: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/11019/40/1/3/ E' lo stesso link che ho postato in precedenza per mostrare la MB che mi piace molto .... alla fin fine siamo sui 33 watt sia per un AMD che per un Atom .... tutta colpa del chipset ... |
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appunto... finché non cambiano il chipset che vendono con l'atom, i consumi sono penalizzati al punto che sono confrontabili con le normali cpu + mb (con video integrato)
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